Wednesday 30 April 2014

DECONSTRUCTING THE ANTI-HUNTERS' ARGUMENTS PART 2


      In the last issue I was giving my viewpoint on the fallacies of the anti-hunting fraternity’s arguments as they are outlined in a document circulated amongst them and over the internet. In this issue I will complete the deconstructing of their arguments.
One must keep in mind that the letter being deconstructed was written concerning British foxhunting in particular and therefore British law.
My counter points are the bold italics within brackets eg {italics}.

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HUNTING - Issues and Arguments

Violence to animals and violence to people

It is no coincidence that those who arrange the nasty and premature deaths of foxes inflict harm on sabs.

{REBUTAL:- Oh cry me a river, those poor sabs just trying to stop us demented hunters from torturing all those “wee wittle wabbits” with their love and rainbows, while we are inflicting god knows what abominations upon them. To begin with they refer to themselves as sabs and this is short for saboteurs and should give you a hint that they are not as innocent and nonviolent as they would have you believe. Depending on the particular group of sabs involved, action taken against hunters and actual hunts in progress can range from noisy demonstrations meant to disorient the hounds, to the destruction of hunters’ property, the shooting of hunting dogs and actual assaults against hunters. When law abiding hunters have to regularly put up with the violent actions of these lawbreakers is it any wonder that some of us snap from time to time and I am in no way condoning such aggressive actions on our part, only pointing out that the sabs are not the innocent lambs they would have you believe they are.}

Hunting and the law

Hunting has tradition and the support of very powerful people on its side. The influence of these people meant that hunting has been left untouched by legislation - the Protection of Animals Act only covers captive and domestic animals.

It is likely that the police would regard hunting as unlawful if it were a new activity. Surely, letting an excited pack of carnivorous animals career about the countryside, across roads and through villages, only partially under anyone's control, amounts to a breach of the peace?

{REBUTAL:- Oh my! They make a pack of hounds in the pursuit of its quarry seem to be a veritable pack of hell hounds out for blood. Hounds are not wild slathering bloodthirsty beasts as they would have the public believe and a danger to allow running loose. Any person familiar with hounds knows different, they are one of the most people friendly types of dog there are.   The so called tolerant liberal left has a long history of only being tolerant and accepting of a particular outlook or activity if it aligns with their views.  In truth they cannot stand anyone different to them, I don’t try to stop others from pursuing the pastimes that they enjoy why should they seek to interfere with my hobbies? In my younger days I very much enjoyed Carnival, now that I no longer play mas’ I don’t whine about the noise of the steelbands or try to get them banned. These sabs are like children that throw tantrums, it has to be their way or no way at all. As for hunting being protected by the law, of course it is, the laws that govern hunting were made in a time before the present when the minds of the urban adults were not poisoned in their youth with ideas that animals are just like us and should enjoy the same rights and privileges as humans do under the law.
 

 


"Hunting provides employment"
Hunting in Britain provides full-time employment for no more than 750 people, probably less (source -LACS - I think this figure refers to all hound sports). Spread over the whole country, this would hardly be a huge blow to the rural employment situation were hunting to be abolished, especially as (a) at least some hunts would become draghunts, and (b) all those riders who didn't want to draghunt would suddenly have a lot of disposable income with which to create new jobs elsewhere in the leisure sector of the economy.
Often the BFSS quote much larger figures than 750, but they include jobs which will still exist when hunting is abolished (people will still be riding horses, and require the associated services and equipment).In any case, employment is never enough to justify immoral practices.
{REBUTAL:- Like anything else that a lot of money is spent on, and the sport of hunting with dogs consumes lots of money, hunting provides jobs but we as hunters should never use this as a reason for the continuation of hunting. Hunting in T&T should never be considered from a commercial basis it is a sport pursued by the private individual whereby he or she may provide a delicacy for their family or friends. In the letter the Anti’s state “employment is never enough to justify immoral practices.” I contend that hunting is no more an immoral practice than fishing, trapping rats or taking antibiotics for an infection. Animals are animals not people and when we start to blur the lines then we begin a journey that will take us down roads to all sorts of absurdities.}
"Hunting is natural"
Would-be BFSS intellectual, Ian Coghill, claims that we are biologically equipped to be hunters, with all the necessary teeth, enzymes, and instincts - BUT not everything we are mentally and physically equipped to do is a morally acceptable pastime.
Hunters also speak of the inevitability of death and suffering in the biological world. This is never thought to be an excuse for murder and rape (humans are a part of the biological world too), so why should it apply to hunting? Neither can hunting be seen as a natural activity for hounds. Hounds are painstakingly bred and trained to hunt.
Furthermore, no pack animal will chase an animal the size of a fox for the length of time a hound pack chases a fox. It simply would not provide anywhere near enough food for the pack.
{REBUTAL:- Once again the Anti’s old standby argument that hunting is immoral. First of all just let me state here that moral codes are not laws of nature but arbitrary paradigms imposed by a community on its members for whatever reason. What is morally acceptable by one culture and religion may not be accepted by another. In this modern western society were freedom of religion and thought is cherished, I can see no reason why one group should be allowed to impose its views on another. Here again the Anti’s equate humans with animals by comparing hunting with rape and murder, are we really supposed to take these people seriously when they make statements such as this?
Now the excuse that somehow the hunter makes the hound chase its quarry and that hounds chasing a fox is an unnatural act that they only partake in because their owners make them do it. Well hunting is the natural activity of the ancestor of the dog, that being the wolf. Hounds are not made to hunt as the uninformed are made to believe, any real hunter can tell you that if a dog does not want to hunt there is nothing that you can do to change its mind, simple as that. As for being artificially bred and trained to hunt, they are only bred to maintain their natural hunting drive inherited from the wolf and as for training that only directs their natural instincts
and abilities not create them out of thin air . The hound or hunting cur hunts because it wants to hunt not because the hunter makes it hunt.
Hounds hunt the fox because of natural prey drive and training, their survival does not depend on the amount of meat a fox provides. The same dogs that run the fox could be trained to run deer. The pack is provided its sustenance by its owner; they are not a wild pack of wolves so the size of the quarry does not matter to them only their desire to hunt. This desire is used as a tool by the hunter, just as the truncated hunting drive of the stock dog is used by the stockman to his benefit, should we abandon the use of stock dogs to help with the handling of the vast herds of livestock because it is an unnatural act for them to herd stock without killing them as a wild wolf pack would? If these Anti’s are such sticklers for everything being natural and living and conducting their lives exactly as nature intends then they should strip off their clothes and go live in the forest like an ape, they could then be one with the animals that they see as their equals.}
The environment
Landowners derive no income from hunting with hounds which could be channelled into conservation, and so would be no less financially capable of doing it in the absence of hunting.
Sometimes they will say that landowners retain woodland for hunting. A survey by Cobham Resources Consultants, commissioned and published in 1983 by a pro-bloodsports group stated that creating fox coverts was the "least significant motive" for landowners retaining or planting woodland.
Also, the 'guardians of our countryside' have made a poor job of it. Look at the bare expanses of fields with their lack of hedgerows, around East Anglia, as one example. Another example is that about half of the ancient natural/semi-natural woodland Britain has disappeared since the 1940s.
It is often argued in the case of the grouse moors, that the fees paid by shooters maintain the grouse moorland. However it is worth pointing out that (a) tourism has a far greater economic significance in these areas, and (b) the grouse moors are not a true natural environment, and would largely disappear if nature was simply left alone for a change.
The influence of the hunters has failed to stop development in the countryside - e.g. roads, urban sprawl. Hunts are relatively weedy to take on powerful economic forces such as these. The obvious solution is genuine conservation measures, now.
Hunting with hounds has few significant detrimental environmental effects; however it is worth mentioning the disturbance of badger setts through earth stopping and digging out, and the obvious impact of a convoy of hunt vehicles polluting its way through the countryside. Most coverts are drawn to infrequently to have a significant effect on the wildlife there; however wildlife trusts may make sure of this by banning hunting on their land.
{REBUTAL:- The examples given here by the Antis are for Britain as is the case for this entire document. What they state may or may not be true but in the USA hunters are a major source of money and impetus for wildlife and forest conservation. The largest private organisation that directly owns or leases land that intern protects a whole myriad of species besides the general game animals is Ducks Unlimited. Ducks Unlimited habitat projects are in all 50 states, every Canadian province and in key areas of Mexico and Latin America. In total, Ducks Unlimited has developed more than 20,000 conservation projects across North America. Ducks Unlimited takes a continental, approach to conservation. Since 1937, Ducks Unlimited has conserved more than 12 million acres of habitat across North America. Although Ducks Unlimited is mainly concerned with water fowl conservation, a host of other species both game and nongame animals benefit from the group’s goal of preserving and maintain the levels of water fowl for hunters to harvest. Examples of groups similar to Ducks Unlimited operating in other countries are extant and may be found with little to no effort by anyone sincerely interested in wildlife and forest conservation and not just pushing their ant-hunting agenda. It cannot be denied that on a global scale sport hunters are a genuine and important factor in nature conservation.}
Hunters' hypocrisy
You will have noticed that a common thread of hypocrisy runs through many of the pronouncements of the hunting community. They mistreat their hounds, while posing as animal lovers and accusing sabs of hurting their animals. They are violent, but claim to be the victims of intimidation and assault; and so on ad nauseam.
{REBUTAL:- Do you like how they make the carte blanche statement that hunters mistreat their hounds? While I am sure that there are hunters who do mistreat their hounds, I am equally sure that it is of no higher an incidence amongst hunters than it is amongst non-hunting dog owners. They also claim hunters are violent what is the evidence of this claim? I assume that they define the killing of game as violence for I am not aware of the fact that there is a higher incidence of violent crime against fellow humans by hunters than there is by non-hunters. Once again they class animals on the same level with humans. I do not nor will I accept that the killing of an animal for food or vermin extermination is violence weather it is in front of a pack of dogs, in a trap or by whatever means it is carried out. This line of logic will have us thinking of humane painless ways to eradicate rats, cockroaches and other pests no matter how much it costs because after all they deserve the same treatment as humans, right? These antis are delusional in their basic outlook on life sorry to say, but if we followed their train of thought to its logical end it would not even allow us to be a vegan or even breath for that matter.}

"Meat eaters should not oppose hunting"

Hunters like to criticise the hypocrisy of anti-hunting people who eat meat, wear leather or whatever (though I have still to meet a non-vegetarian saboteur). There is an element of truth in this, however it is still no defence of hunting to point out the cruelty and suffering other animals go through.
{REBUTAL:- No one should oppose hunting if  it is well managed and sustainable. Reality is what it is, for some to live some must die, it is just that simple. People must consume food made up of either plants or animals to survive; therefore we cannot class ourselves with them on any level that will allow the lines to blur. Cold as this may seem it is reality, all the animal rights movements are a product of modern times and of people that have become removed from the cycle of life experienced on a daily basis by the livestock farmer, fisherman etc.}

"Anti-bloodsports campaigners are motivated by class hatred"

Bloodsports are not the prerogative of the wealthy. Hare coursing still exists, and is to a large extent, a working class sport. Even a foxhunt consists of a wide spectrum of people. You have to be rich to be able to afford to ride with the hunt, but not to be a terrierman, a foot follower or a supporter. These people are not just the puppets of the aristocrats: they are enthusiastic participants in the hunts.
People opposed to hunting come from all backgrounds.
{REBUTAL:- The Antis/Sabs claim that the anti-hunting movement is not driven by class hatred as hunters come from all levels of society but I claim that it is class driven by hatred for the hunting class. The anti-hunting movement is just one example of the growing intolerance of society for others that engage in activities that are different to their own but yet do not directly impact on them. Although we live in a free society that in theory does not prohibit actions unless they are inimically detrimental to society itself, it is becoming more frequent to see groups and movements dedicated to protesting a wide range  of topics. People that oppose hunting come from all backgrounds as do hunters. This world would be a better place if we all had a live and let live attitude to life and did not stick our noses into other people’s lives, preferences, and pastimes trying to control what are none of our business.}
 
 

Spreading of disease

Disease may be picked up by hounds, and spread wherever they go. Also, killing a fox means that another fox may move into that area to replace it. This means that there is more mobility in the population than there would otherwise be, and therefore a greater potential for the spreading of disease.

{REBUTAL:- The vast majority of dogs in T&T are vaccinated by their owners, at least the ones with responsible owners that value their dogs. If a dog is carried afield to hunt and picks up a disease because it is unvaccinated it is the fault of its owner plain and simple and has nothing to do with the sport of hunting. When game is killed and replaced by another individual that may have been driven from its home ground and forced to resettle there, it is a good thing, this allows for the mixing of the gene pool in the game population. A population of a game animal should be contiguous across its range; if a disease were to become present it would spread through contact between the animals themselves in a chain reaction effect across the whole area and would not have to rely on hounds to spread it or animals driven from their home range by hunting. This argument against hunting is very weak, with this logic all hiking should also be banned as contaminated animal faeces could be spread on the soles of shoes and start an animal epidemic, for that matter walls should be built around blocks of forest to prevent any accidental spreading of disease that may inadvertently wipe out a population of animal. Wild animals have been living with disease since there have been wild animals, nature has given them the ability to handle outbreaks of disease and bounce back on their own.}

Hunting and individual choice

"So you don't believe in personal freedom" said the same guy who had accused me of being an 'ignorant townie'. This argument is fundamentally flawed - who would suggest we have the freedom to take the lives of other humans? Who would say we have the freedom to mutilate a pet dog? Similarly, all animals should be regarded as sensitive living beings who deserve respect and consideration.
{REBUTAL:- Here they go again, placing animals on the same level with humans. They would have you believe that killing a deer is the same as killing your neighbour. They continuously try make this connection between animals and humans as being equals in the hope that it would stick in our subconscious. Humans are animals; yes I will acknowledge that but we are animals of an entirely different class. WE ARE HUMAN, THEY ARE NOT. There can be no escaping the fact that in a practical secular sense we cannot equate ourselves with animals in any way, this would leave us helpless against vermin and disease. Who is to decide which animals are our equals and are ”sensitive living beings who deserve respect and consideration” and which are not. All things considered the anti-hunting community attempts to sway the public opinion of non-hunters with lies and emotional rhetoric that has no base in fact. Any hunter or for that matter anyone that takes a couple of minutes to think about it will see the holes in their arguments. To be fair there is one reason to at least temporarily place a moratorium on hunting and that is over harvesting or low population levels of a particular game animal. Although sport hunters enjoy the thrill of the chase, the lavway and the delicious wildmeat a true sport hunter would never wish to hunt his quarry to extinction. Without the animals and the forest we have no sport, so in truth a conscientious hunter is above all things a wildlife and nature conservationist at heart.} 
 


 

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